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200. “Should we pay off our massive debt? Or invest more?”

Money For Couples

Ramit Sethi

Relationships, Society & Culture, Investing, Business

4.63.1K Ratings

🗓️ 18 March 2025

⏱️ 101 minutes

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Summary

Wilson (46) and Shannon (35) have built a strong financial foundation—owning a vacation rental, maxing out Roth IRAs, and earning solid incomes. But when it comes to their next move, they’re at odds. Wilson wants to tap into their home equity to invest in stocks, believing they’re too heavily weighted in real estate. Shannon, more risk-averse, worries about adding debt when they already owe $129K on their home, plus tax and student loans. Can they align on a strategy that balances security with growth? This episode is brought to you by: Gelt | Get a more premium, proactive tax strategy to optimize and file your taxes at https://joingelt.com/ramit. Wildgrain | Get $30 off the first box - PLUS free Croissants in every box at https://wildgrain.com/ramit Superhuman | Get a free month of lightning fast email at https://try.sprh.mn/ramitsethi DeleteMe | If you want to get your personal information removed from the web, go to https://joindeleteme.com/ramit for 20% off. Facet | For Money for Couples listeners who enroll with Facet, they will waive the $250 enrollment fee for new annual members and they’ll add $500 into your brokerage account when you invest and maintain $5000 in the first 90 days of membership for Core, Plus and Complete members (promo does not apply to Foundations members). Check out their membership options at https://facet.com/ramit Links mentioned in this episode • Order my new book: Money for Couples Connect with Ramit • Get Money Coaching with Ramit • Download the Conscious Spending Plan • Listen to my book—now on Audible • Get my New York Times best-selling book • Get my no-numbers journal • Other episodes • Instagram • Twitter • YouTube If you and your partner have a money issue and you want my help, I occasionally select a couple to work with, free of charge. Apply for my help here. Produced by Crate Media.

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0:00.0

Do you feel like you currently have a weight on your shoulders?

0:03.0

Yeah, when it comes to money, definitely.

0:05.0

It feels heavy, it feels a little bit suffocating.

0:07.0

I took the big risk of not making money for six years,

0:11.0

hoping to be successful.

0:13.0

The question is about Wilson wanting to take out a second mortgage on the house

0:18.0

to put more money into stocks. What the hell?

0:22.1

This isn't like a blanket approach that you can ask chat GPT or something and say,

0:27.8

should I take out a second mortgage?

0:29.7

No, you need to know exactly the details.

0:33.3

Why do you sound angry when you say it?

0:34.7

Watching your energy just now.

0:36.4

I'm feeling attacked and I don't even understand what the fuck you're talking about.

0:39.5

All I know is you're yelling at me.

0:41.6

There's emotional things that come up, and it's hard on me, too.

0:44.7

We just talk about the doom and gloom of everything.

0:47.7

Do you see how the two of you don't agree on the debt?

0:49.7

How can you row to a certain destination when the two of you don't even agree what the destination is?

1:01.2

We're going to get to the show in just a second, but I have to share that today is a big

1:05.3

milestone for the Money for Couples podcast. This is our 200th episode, And I want to give a huge thank you to every single

1:13.6

one of you, all the listeners who join this podcast every single week to hear and watch these

1:19.6

incredible stories. You know, I started this podcast because like a lot of you, I had questions

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