That's better than

right club today. That's better than most.

How about in?

That is better than most.

Better than most. The most.

Expect anything different.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast.

I would introduce him as golf channels Justin R. and welcome

him as golf channels Justin Ray but he's now going over to the 15th club to betray us and become part of team Europe's winning

Rider Cup team.

Mr Justin Ray welcome to the

Nollowing up podcast. So I'll be a long time listener first-time caller.

Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Absolutely. I can think it's kind of,

we wanted to make nice with you before you kind of make the full

transition over to the 15th club here and turn your back on the country here.

Why don't you tell us a little bit about what you're doing?

Oh, I mean, you know, accusing me of treason is a great way to start the interview but

I like to punch people in the face a little bit and then get them back on their heels.

So I mean I was at Golf Channel for a little over five years, 15th club, as you mentioned, they do a lot of player

performance stuff getting some of the top players in the world, primarily guys from Europe,

better Rory McElroy is their most prominent client.

But they're dipping their toe more into the storytelling

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