What's up everybody? This is Cortland from Indiehackers.com and you're listening to the

NDHackers podcast. More people than ever are building cool stuff online and making a lot of money

in the process. And on this show, I sit down with these indie hackers to discuss the ideas, the opportunities, and the strategies they're taking advantage of. So the

rest of us can do the same. All right, we're here today with some of the best online course

creators and I know. So many indie hackers who are getting started and who are successful are

successful because they're finding ways to teach other people online.

And I think the most straightforward way to teach people online is through online courses.

So we've got Andrew Barry, who runs the On Deck Course Creators Fellowship.

On Deck is blown up.

Everybody's talking about it.

And the people who aren't talking about it seem to be part of it already.

We've also got Marie Poland, who runs an online course called Notion Mastery. Marie's badass. I don't know if this is public, Marie. If it's not, we'll bleep it out. I don't even know this is accurate, but I heard your course sold like five or six hundred grand in revenue last year, something insane. The last year, yeah. It's crazy because it's like, I've been seeing you teach everybody notion and I just didn't realize.

Like, I would have guessed like a fifth of that.

So I'm super impressed.

I think it's amazing, super inspiring.

And then last but not least, we've got Ali Abdal, brilliant YouTuber with over a million

and a half subscribers.

You've also got a course called the part-time YouTuber Academy.

And you're also a full-time medical student, I believe. Welcome to the show, Ali. Yeah, thanks for having me. Thanks for having me. So maybe we'll start there, because that's a crazy amount of productivity. I don't think most people could do even one of those things, let alone all three of them. How are you so productive, Ali? How are you doing so much more than everyone else can?

I mean, it's worth saying that I'm no, I'm no longer a full-time medical student. I've now become a doctor. So I was working as a doctor for two years while doing all this stuff. And I've kind of taken a break at the moment in intending to travel the world and do like medical stuff in Australia, but then pandemic happened. And so right now I'm in a bit of a weird place where I'm sort of a productivity guru on the internet, but I don't really have a job other than doing internet stuff. So it always feels a bit

weird. But whenever people ask me about the productivity thing, my main spiel is just that a lot of

it is around just enjoying the things that you're doing. And part of that is finding things to work on that you find fun. I'm sure you find it fun working on indie hackers. But also part of it is sort of choosing to find fun in the things that you end up doing anyway. And so a lot of students studying for exams, things like that, you don't really have a choice in the matter. But there are lots of things that we can do to make the process more enjoyable for ourselves. And so it's like that thing that Naval Ravikant says that, you know, if you find something that feels like play to you and looks like work to others, then the productivity kind of takes care of itself. I love that. I've been doing that a lot with Andy Hackers recently. For example, for this podcast, I hired like a podcast boss and she's an editor, a producer,

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