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Hello and welcome to the Grenfell Tower Inquiry podcast with me, Kate Lamble.

When this inquiry started, all the way back in June 2018, lead counsel to the inquiry,

Richard Millett, made a request.

We hope that core participants will resist the temptation to indulge in a merry go-round

of buck passing, but will identify exactly their role in the chain of events, leading to

Grenfell Tower becoming what our experts preliminarily consider to be a major hazard.

Four years on, the inquiry is a week from finishing its evidence.

It's heard closing statements about how combustible materials were tested, certified and regulated,

so they ended up being installed on the outside walls of Grenfell Tower.

And that question of whether organisations would take part in a merry go-round of buck passing

is as relevant as ever.

Let's get started with the evidence then.

One group of bereaved survivors and residents was represented by Sam Steen.

It is a disgrace that the cladding and insulation manufacturers,

Arconic cellaracts and Kingspan, knew that their lethally combustible and toxic materials

were being sold on to residential buildings,

and that they continue thereafter to profit substantially in the aftermath

of the Grimple Tower fire. But it is also a national disgrace that the testers, certifiers,

and government all knew of the dangers of these materials as well. It is a disgrace that

despite this knowledge, nothing was done to protect the only

people who did not know, the people living in tower blocks, and in particular those living in

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