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So here we are with Karla and this interview has been arranged by Christian,

OKR and TV, huge shout out to Christian, all links will be in the description box.

Karla has got his own channel as well, so please go down and support his work.

It's a man's story, we've got London, Gangland, we've got a judge putting Karla in a way and

double life sentence saying, you know, you're so dangerous, you should never be out, but it's also

a story of redemption because we've got a critically acclaimed play was written and featured.

Multiple books and Karla is now on the right path, but you're going to hear a lot more about

what led to the madness in a minute, and all Jen's links are in the description box as well.

So huge thank you for coming on. Yeah, definitely. We're about, did you grow up then?

I grew up in South London. New cross-debt for delusion. The South East London.

What was it like for you growing up? Yeah, growing up for me in South London was very exciting.

That's our view at the time, that's from a criminal family,

who are slas of the ice order, so it was very normal for me to see mommy and a 10 grand

furco, Rolex and OIS. So both your parents are criminals? To start with, but my father was very, very,

very early. If he was a criminal, he was a minor criminal aslam, but went straight into business

from, I mean, before I was, I think he opened his first shop,

B's and G's at the Green Crossers when I was about 11 or 10, and he's never looked back,

he's a straight business. My mother, Ankhors, aunts on my mother's side,

were actually criminals, the majority of them. So yeah, as I said, seeing the females,

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