20 Years After Dover: Steve Fuller on Science, Censorship, and the “Church of Darwin”

Intelligent Design the Future

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🗓️ 7 January 2026

⏱️ 42 minutes

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In this ID The Future, host Casey Luskin concludes a two-part conversation with University of Warwick professor and author Steve Fuller reflecting on the 20th anniversary of the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial, a case that examined the constitutionality of teaching intelligent design in public schools. Fuller discusses his experience serving as an expert witness for the defense. He defends his support of a policy that merely informed students of alternative theories to Darwinian evolution. He explains why high school is an ideal time to encourage an open mind toward science. Then he pivots to discuss the deeper issue of institutional censorship in science and how establishment science functions as a religion. He characterizes intelligent design as "anti-establishment" and suggests there's hope for a more pluralistic approach to science in the near future. This is Part 2 of a two-part interview.

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0:00.0	because insofar as you're not even able to mention intelligent design concepts when you publish
0:06.4	articles and journals as part of, let's say, the explanatory structure of what you're talking about,
0:12.2	then how do you expect intelligent design ever to get a look in? Right. You effectively are
0:17.4	institutionally censoring it, right? And this is what I said in my testimony, which outraged a lot of people because nobody
0:25.6	could imagine that science was in the censorship business.
0:32.6	ID, the Future, a podcast about evolution and intelligent design.
0:40.9	Hello and welcome back to Idy the Future.
0:43.6	I'm Casey Luskin with the Center for Science and Culture.
0:48.8	And today we have back on the show with us, Professor Steve Fuller, who on a previous podcast,
0:53.6	we had a great conversation about the rich tradition of intelligent design within philosophy,
0:54.8	science, and theology,
1:00.4	and how it has so powerfully shaped the way that we view the world around us academically today.
1:05.5	Professor Fuller earned his M. Phil at Cambridge University in History of Philosophy of Science and then a PhD in the same subject at the University of Pittsburgh.
1:09.6	He is now Auguste Comte, chair in social epistemology in the Department of Soci subject at the University of Pittsburgh. He is now August Comte-Compty,
1:11.3	chair in social epistemology in the Department of Sociology at the University of Warwick
1:15.5	in Cometry, England. He's also a fellow of the UK Academy of Social Sciences and the European
1:21.1	Academy of Sciences and Arts. He's written quite a bit about the evolution and intelligence design
1:26.0	debate and conversation over the years.
1:28.2	And he was also an expert witness in the trial supporting the Dover School District in the Kitsmiller v.
1:33.7	Dover trial.
1:34.2	So Professor Fuller, thank you so much for coming back on the show with us.
1:37.2	Well, thank you for having me again, Casey.
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