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No Stupid Questions

20. Should We Separate the Art From the Artist?

No Stupid Questions

Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

Society & Culture

4.63.7K Ratings

🗓️ 4 May 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Also: what is the meaning of life? This episode originally aired on September 27, 2020.

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0:00.0

Did you know that the Rhodes Scholarship was founded on blood money?

0:05.9

Did you know that everything was founded on blood money, if you go back far enough?

0:10.3

I'm Angela Duckworth.

0:11.6

I'm Stephen Dubner.

0:12.6

And you're listening to No Stupid Questions.

0:15.7

Today on the show, in the era of cancel culture, should we still be able to enjoy the art of problematic artists?

0:23.2

Guess the 19th century sin of this dead white man. Also, do you ever feel overwhelmed by the

0:30.0

question of whether life has greater meaning? When I was 16, I wrote a paper actually called

0:36.3

The Meaning of Life.

0:41.9

Stephen, we got a great question from a listener, and it asked the question, should we separate art from the artist?

0:51.3

And in particular, artists like Michael Jackson or others who you just love their work and then you discover they've done terrible things.

0:59.9

Allegedly done terrible things, I think, in the case of Michael Jackson, right?

1:03.0

Fair enough. I think the question is a great one. You know, should I stop watching Woody Allen movies? I love Annie Hall.

1:09.2

Yeah, it's obviously a timely question since so many

1:13.3

noteworthy people have been canceled or at least postponed lately between the Me Too movement

1:19.0

and this closer examination of history on many fronts, including racial and ethnic history.

1:25.7

But before I answer your question about separating the art from the artist per se, and there

1:31.4

is a long list of artists whose behavior cuts against what most right-minded people would

1:38.1

consider honorable or decent behavior, I'd like to point out we could easily broaden this

1:43.2

good question to sports and politics and commerce. I'd like to point out we could easily broaden this good question to sports and politics and

1:47.3

commerce. I mean, the founder of IKEA was a Nazi sympathizer as a young man. Does that mean no more

1:54.8

extort sofa for me? Does that mean no more Swedish meatballs at the IKEA cafeteria? I hope not.

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