is a person who has vanished and is unconfirmed bugged you last night to tell me what the case was.

And you told me and I was like, oh my gosh, I've heard of it.

I have never done a deep dive.

But I mean, I'm totally, I'm just like shaking with anxiety about it.

Well, I'm glad that I did it and you didn't because i'm

interested to hear your perspective as a parent okay all right um so i i'm shouldn't dive right in

so i'm doing a case and okay so you guys don't know this but the very first case we ever recorded that will never make it to iTunes

because it was terrible.

Yeah.

Was a child.

Yeah.

And I was like, I'll never do another child because, I mean, let's be real.

Kids don't walk away from their lives.

They don't buy passports on the black market.

Right.

You know, like, and for a younger child, especially, like, suicide is typically not a

conversation.

Mm-hmm.

Which means it, like, it's either going to be a stranger kidnapping or something else. Like, it's, there's not a whole lot to talk about. Right. Well, so I was like, I'm never going to do a child case. So, actually, my sister has mentioned this one to me a couple times. And I was like, you know what, I'm just going to read it. And I read it. And I was like. I'm going to read it. see what happens. Here I am. But I don't understand. And I texted it to my husband the other it and I was like see what happens here I am but I don't understand and I

texted it to my husband the other day and I was like hey just like do a quick Google on this and he

goes but how and I was like okay so you're like where I am so today we're going to talk about

Chiron Horman.

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