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That's the Expl World War interview.

In this interview, I was joined by Dr. Chris Millington from the Manchester Metropolitan University

and author of a history

of fascism in France from the First World War to the National Front. As you may of course

imagine, this means that we spent most of our time discussing the fascist movement in France

during the 1920s and 30s. We talked about what it was, how popular it was, and if it ever came

close to attaining power.

We also discussed at some length the fact that labeling the French radical right-wing political

groups fascist is a somewhat controversial move.

That is not a totally unknown phenomenon in other nations as well, both from the interwar periods

and in the decades since.

I thought I would use this opportunity to discuss fascism in two other nations before

we jump into the interview.

As with every other conversation revolving around trying to apply the label of fascist to

any group, we have to contend with the problem of fascism's amorphous definition.

Some of these groups make it very easy to know that they were in fact fascists, because

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