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Flipping Tables

20. Escaping a Cult w/ Dr. Steven Hassan

Flipping Tables

Monte Mader

Society & Culture

5626 Ratings

🗓️ 18 June 2025

⏱️ 91 minutes

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Summary

How can someone so intelligent end up with a cult like mindset? Someone who otherwise seems to have their life together? Seems to be so grounded?

Anyone can fall into a cult, and even those who are deeply indoctrinated can get back out.

Dr. Steven Hassan is a leading expert in cults, mind control, and undue influence, best known for transforming his own traumatic experience in a high-control group into a lifelong mission to help others recover from coercive persuasion. Born in Queens, New York, Hassan was raised in a Jewish family and, at age 19, was recruited into the Unification Church (commonly known as the “Moonies”). He quickly became a zealous member, working long hours and cutting ties with family and friends. After a serious car accident in 1976, his family organized a deprogramming intervention, which helped him leave the group and sparked his determination to understand how such manipulation occurs.

Hassan earned a Master’s in counseling psychology from Cambridge College and later completed a Ph.D. from Fielding Graduate University. Over the following decades, he dedicated himself to developing non-coercive methods of intervention, eventually creating what he calls the Strategic Interactive Approach. He also founded the Freedom of Mind Resource Center, which provides education, counseling, and expert support for individuals and families affected by cults, extremist groups, human trafficking, and political radicalization.

Hassan is widely recognized for his development of the BITE Model (Behavior, Information, Thought, and Emotional control), which helps identify the key mechanisms by which authoritarian groups manipulate people. He also created the Influence Continuum, a framework for understanding the difference between healthy and destructive influence. His published works—including Combating Cult Mind Control, Releasing the Bonds, Freedom of Mind, and The Cult of Trump—have become foundational texts for understanding psychological manipulation and authoritarian control, not just in religious cults but in political movements and abusive relationships as well.

He has helped thousands reclaim their autonomy and continues to shape the conversation on cult dynamics, political extremism, and mental freedom in the digital age. There's always hope that even someone who was raised in a cult or lost their way in one can find their way back out.

Transcript

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0:00.0

One of the hardest things about deconstruction was how humbling it was to realize that I got played.

0:07.0

I grew up thinking that the Democrats worship demons.

0:10.4

Had I still been in the Christian nationalist cult, I probably would have believed in QAnon and Pizza Gate.

0:16.7

And even things like I thought after birth abortions were not only legal, but that they were common practice.

0:23.5

And as I find out more information, it was deeply humiliating to find out all these things I had

0:27.6

believed, even about God, the Bible, translations were so utterly wrong. It left me feeling really

0:33.6

stupid. And I didn't want to talk about it because I've always been proud of how smart I am.

0:37.9

Well, today's guest is here to take away some of the stigma of talking about what it's like

0:42.1

to be in a cult. Dr. Steve Hassan is a PhD in psychotherapy and a worldwide cult expert.

0:48.5

He's developed models about influence and how control is really the key to a successful cult.

0:54.1

Not only is he credentialed

0:55.6

academically. Why would he study this in the first place? Well, Dr. Steve Hassan used to be a Mooney.

1:00.7

He was recruited into the cult at the age of 19, got out two and a half years later, deeply

1:06.0

traumatized by the experience. And as someone who he didn't grow up in a religious upbringing,

1:12.0

someone who you wouldn't think would be susceptible to this type of indoctrination. And he has spent his life

1:16.5

helping people not just escape cults, but heal from them, understand them, and help continue

1:21.6

the conversation around how to fight back against a cult-like mindset, especially when now

1:27.3

technology is being used

1:29.0

to promote cult tactics. So we're going to talk brainwashing, hypnosis, cult, cult, sleep

1:35.4

deprivation, all on today's episode of flipping tables.

1:45.5

And we're live.

1:48.7

Dr. Steve Hassan, thank you for being on the episode today.

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