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Writing Excuses

20.39: Wrapping up our Conversation about Lenses

Writing Excuses

Mary Robinette Kowal, DongWon Song, Erin Roberts, Dan Wells, and Howard Tayler

Fiction, Business, Careers

4.61.4K Ratings

🗓️ 28 September 2025

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

Today our hosts tell you why you don’t need to listen to all of our episodes—or even most of them. Each of our five hosts weighs in on how you can combine the topics, subtopics, and lenses that each episode features in order to create a structured path forward for your own writing journey. We start with a broad overview of this season’s structure. Why did we use the simple categories that most of us learned in elementary school— Who, What, Where, When, & Why—to organize our year’s 52 episodes? How did we decide on sub-topics for each category, and how should you decide which episodes to listen to more than once, and which ones to skip. Hint: it’s going to be different for everyone. Homework: Think about something that you do really well in your writing. Write down what it is (think of the lenses that we’ve covered in this season), and congratulate yourself on using the lens that you are using the best, the best way you can. Credits: Your hosts for this episode were Mary Robinette Kowal, DongWon Song, Dan Wells, Erin Roberts, and Howard Tayler. It was produced by Emma Reynolds, recorded by Marshall Carr, Jr., and mastered by Alex Jackson. Join Our Writing Community! Writing Retreats Newsletter Patreon Instagram Threads Bluesky TikTok YouTube Facebook Our Sponsors: * Check out HomeServe and use my code homeserve.com/excuses for a great deal: https://www.homeserve.com * Check out Talkiatry and use my code Talkiatry.com/WX for a great deal: https://www.talkiatry.com Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/writing-excuses2130/donations Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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0:14.9

Season 20, episode 39.

0:19.3

This is writing excuses.

0:22.1

Rapping off our conversation about lenses.

0:24.7

I'm Mary Robinette.

0:26.0

I'm Donglan.

0:26.6

I'm Dan.

0:27.4

I'm Aaron.

0:28.2

And I'm Howard.

0:29.9

And I'm going to start this episode with a confession, which is that our entire

0:34.0

conversation about lenses came from the fact that Mary Robinette and I were in a

0:37.6

conversation and I was like, what if we just talked about writing as like, who, what, when, where,

0:42.0

why, and how? Like, we all remember that from when we were children. It's super easy. And I feel like

0:47.2

we found out, like, that there's so much complexity within these very simple theoretical lenses,

0:53.3

that each of these lenses has lenses within the lenses.

0:56.0

And so my biggest question for all of you is,

0:59.0

how do you take all this and synthesize it?

1:02.0

I mean, we've been talking about it and how it was done in all the birds in the sky,

1:06.0

but for people who are trying to figure out how to take all of this knowledge

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