I'm Roberta Glass and you're listening to my true crime report. Today I have a returning guest on one of my

favorite guests, William Ramsey, who is a member of the State Bar of California. He's also written

three books, Abomination, Devil Worship and Deceit in the West Memphis Three murders, also Prophet of

Evil and Children of the beast.

Welcome, William Ramsey.

Roberta, thanks for having me back on. It's great to be with you again.

Thank you. So we're celebrating the two-year anniversary of my show. So thank you so much for

doing this with me. So two years ago, when I was first on your show, we were talking about

innocence fraud in a bunch of different cases, Adnan Syed, making a murderer. Even Amanda Knox

and Damien Eccles were making support videos for Brendan Dassey. And we've seen the response in the

court have been really negative for their

innocence campaign. Are we seeing kind of, I don't know, a decline in this movement?

It seems like it. It seems like there's kind of a wool, and I think that people are starting to

get wise to some of the propaganda that's out there and getting wise to some of these less than

on in my opinion less than honest podcasters who and kind of innocence fraud peddlers who

are kind of into these movements so i think people have seen alternate uh factual evidence and

particularly ad man saeed you know, the appeals court

in Maryland pretty much put an end to this case. So I think that, though that's a good trend,

I think for the future, although, you know, there's still, there's still some cases out there,

like Rodney Reed in Texas.

Right.

I wonder if they're going to switch tactics.

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