You never allow your hater to bring you down to his or her level.

Always reach up.

Always reach up and love is up.

Where do you turn when you want to learn about how to have a conversation about these sensitive racial subjects that have been emerging in such an intense way over the last few weeks.

One person I immediately thought of going to is Dean Helen Williams.

She's an impressive person by almost every criteria,

educationally, professionally,

her service in the community.

She's someone who is thoughtful and disciplined

in pursuing what really matters,

in pursuing an essential life.

And I wanted to have a conversation that normally we don't have.

This conversation is helpful, it's insightful, it's honest, it's open, it's vulnerable, it's full, it's full of love and compassion and wisdom. I wholeheartedly recommend it to you.

I think you're going to enjoy it. I for one feel optimistic that great things lie ahead. An opportunity

to tear down an old system that is largely invisible to many of us and rebuild something

that enables us to be closer to the one heart, one mind, united community, country, world we really seek.

So wherever you are listening to this, I hope that you'll listen with both years but also more important with your heart as we have

this conversation with the remarkable Dean Helen Williams.

Well, this is an absolute pleasure to be with you

Dr Helen Williams.

Welcome to the show. Oh, thank you. Thank you for having me, great. It's a pleasure to be with you.

So let's just do some backup here. Dr Williams, you are the Dean of the graduate school of psychology and education at

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