2 views on suffering – Warfare vs Blueprint – Kurt Jaros & Ken Brownell

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🗓️ 30 October 2015

⏱️ 83 minutes

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Is suffering planned as part of God’s sovereign will? Or is God not to blame, as suffering is the result of an ongoing cosmic spiritual battle? Ken Brownell is a Calvinist pastor and seminary teacher believes the ‘blueprint’ model – that both good and evil are ordained by God as part of his eternal purposes. He discusses the issue with theologian Kurt Jaros who defends a ‘warfare’ model, popularised by bible teachers such as Greg Boyd, that suffering is not ordained by God but is a result of an ongoing cosmic spiritual battle between free creatures. For Ken Brownell: http://www.eltbaptistchurch.org/ For Kurt Jaros: http://apologetics.com/blog/category/blogs/kurt-jaros/ For more faith debates visit http://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable Join the conversation: Facebook and Twitter Get the MP3 Podcast of Unbelievable? Via RSS or Via Itunes

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