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Myself and climbing have kind of a unique polar relationship where after it took my brother,

I became very intrigued with it because of the community it held and the connection back to him.

But at the same time, sometimes I'll either be at the base of a climb or on a climb

or really at any point associated with climbing and the switch will flip.

And I'll just be disgusted and tired and really turned away by it.

And it's interesting. coming up to those moments or

or realizing that I'm approaching them.

It's just kind of the way it is, but it's still a really insightful opportunity for me

every time I tie in or head up the crag. You're listening to for The Love of Climbing Podcast.

This is not a climbing podcast. Well, sort of. This is a funny, sad, and somewhat

uncomfortable podcast about choosing vulnerability and talking openly about our pain.

This podcast is sponsored by Turpike Climers. Here's the show. Sometimes people are like, do you have any siblings?

And you're like, no, and you go on with the conversation and you're sitting there,

like sweating, like, I just lied about my brother dying.

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