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On the night of April 16, 2013, a mysterious incident south of San Jose marked the most serious attack on our power grid in history.

If they had succeeded, what would have happened?

Could have brought down all the Silicon Valley.

We're talking Google, Apple, all these guys.

Yes, that's correct. Who do you think this could have been?

I don't know.

We don't know if they were a nation state.

We don't know if they were domestic actors.

But it was somebody who did have competent people who could, in fact, plan out this kind of

very sophisticated attack and execute it.

I'm kind of surprised that there are many more, many more hostages being held by governments than by terrorists.

I know that is surprising, isn't it? The majority of our cases are actually what we call wrongful detentions.

It's when a nation state actually is we call wrongful detentions.

It's when a nation state actually is detaining American essentially unjustly.

That government wants something in return for our citizens.

They want to use that person for political leverage.

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