For Pacifica Radio, February 27th, 2022.

I'm Scott Horton.

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Scott Wharton. All right, Shell Welcome to show. It is anti-war radio. I'm your host Scott Horton.

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K. We're gonna be doing some pitches here in a minute but first

introducing our guest. It's my old friend, the great Greg Palest,

author of numerous different versions and updated books called

The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, your specialist on Republican Voting Shenanigans, and also the international oil industry

and lots of really smart stuff formerly with BBC Newsnight and he writes for

the Rolling Stone and whatever else

welcome back to the show how you doing Greg a pretty good sky are you Greg

palace.com I meant to say that too that's where you find all this stuff now so here's the thing how are you my old friend I haven't spoken with you in too many years in in many years well you know the world's in flames and it's not happy is it it's a sad day now we're recording this on

Thursday morning so by the time everybody hears this on Sunday things almost certainly will have gotten worse, but as we record

this now, we're about half a day into a full scale invasion of Ukraine by Russia. Apparently they're taking Odessa,

the last I saw they're moving on Odessa.

I guess might as well place our bets

on the idea that the Russians are going to in fact invade and take the whole country all the way to the Romanian border is that what you believe Greg?

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