You're listening to The West Wing Weekly. I'm Joshua Molina, and I'm Rishi Keishirui.

This is part two of our two-part episode discussing the two-part episode in the shadow of

Two Gunmen. Coming up later, we'll be joined by Bradley Whitford, who played Deputy Chief

of Staff Joshua Lyman. But first, we're going to start the episode off with an interview

with Michael O'Neal. Of course, on The West Wing, Michael plays one of our favorite recurring

characters, Special Agent Ron Butterfield, the head of President Bartlett's Secret Service

Protection Detail. Hey, Michael. Hey, Josh, first of all, how are you guys? Oh, man,

it's good to talk to you. Yeah, thanks so much for joining us. We've been enjoying you all

season. We've thus far discussed only the first season of The West Wing. I guess I'm curious

to start to know how do you get involved in the show? I went in to audition for the, you know,

the head of the Presidents and Detail of the Secret Service. Chris Messiano was directing

that episode. And Aaron wasn't either in con or able to make that particular audition.

And I screwed it up the first time. You know, you didn't fool around with Aaron's language.

It was really, beautifully drawn, but it was very, very specific. And I, you know, I stumbled

over it. And Chris, it's something to me. He was so kind. He said, you know, I think I

could give you the wrong note. Let's try it again. So we did it. And, and then, you know,

then I got it. But they've been a long argue with my agent because I'd seen the show.

And it was a one time, it was a one off, right? One time guest tour. And I thought, this,

this writing is brilliant. I don't want to do this show for one time.

Ha, find me something recurring. Yeah. And they said, Hey, buddy, you just had twins.

You need a job. Ron Butterfield, in fact, came back many, many times. And he's, he's a real

fan favorite too. And I think it's because you brought, even though you're a stone called

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