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All right. Welcome to the 1000 Hours Outside podcast. My name is Ginny Urge. I'm the founder of

1000 Hours Outside. And back for time at number four because he's written an incredible new book is Justin Whitmill. Early, welcome. Thank you, Jenny. I often say, like, oh, thanks for having me back. But I don't think anyone has had me back for the fourth time. So this is a new record for me that I'm super proud of because of how much everyone in my life loves you and I'm like, wow, I feel really special

to get to come back for our fourth time. Four times. We talked about all of your different books. One of the books I got was, we talked about this, but it was like a large print edition. Yeah. I got it in the mail and it was like three feet big. You know, it's like, this is interesting. but I've really gotten so much about habits for the household and the way that we structure our daily lives.

So you come out with this new book that is so relatable to Christians in particular, but to anyone who, you know, is working on their faith.

And it's called The Body teaches the Soul, Ten Habits, Ten Essential Habits from a Healthy and Holy Life.

And the whole premise is that we often look at our faith from this head perspective.

Like if I could just force my head to not be anxious, if I could just tell my head, if I could

just repeat these verses.

And you have this whole breakdown of your body and it changes the course of your life where you're like, wait a minute, there is theology in the way that we treat our body. It's all connected. So can you talk about the breakdown? Because the breakdown was pretty extensive, even though the doctor was like, this is common. But part of it was because you couldn't sleep, you're having all this

anxiety, and they give you sleeping pills, and your body actually reacts negatively to the sleeping

pills. Yes. This was a really awful time in my life. Fortunately, it's 10 years ago now. But I learned

so much from it, Jenny. And one of the things I learned was that this is actually such a common experience

for people. So I do think it's worth sharing about a lot because of that. It was about 10 years ago.

I had just become a lawyer. I was a missionary before that. So, you know, I am a stress-free, very

spiritual person, new family, my, you, my wife and two kids, there's nothing in my life

that would have signaled for me, this guy's about to collapse mentally.

And I've found a lot of people are like me in that somewhere in their 30s, tends to be early 30s, but it could be late too.

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