199 - Life After Mumford & Sons with Winston Marshall

Gender: A Wider Lens

Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley

Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Mental Health

4.6 • 961 Ratings

🗓️ 3 January 2025

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

This conversation was recorded prior to the U.S. presidential election. Any references to the election or its potential outcomes reflect the perspectives and context at the time of recording.

Stella and Sasha welcome Winston Marshall, former banjoist for Mumford & Sons, to discuss the personal and professional fallout following his tweet about Andy Ngo's book Unmasked. He opens up about navigating censorship, conformity, and the immense power of social media in shaping public discourse. Winston reflects on the pressure artists face when balancing personal beliefs with industry expectations, and how political events influence cultural movements.

In this conversation, Winston shares his experience being thrust into an online firestorm and the deeply personal decision to step away from the band he cherished for over a decade. His choice emerges as an act of integrity, demonstrating the courage it takes to embrace authenticity and stand against the tide of groupthink.

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0:00.0	Hi, I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland.
0:04.0	And I'm Sasha Ayyad, an adolescent therapist in the United States.
0:08.0	And this is Gender, a Wider Lens, a podcast dedicated to the shifting concepts around gender in our contemporary culture.
0:16.0	Through in-depth interviews, personal stories, and psychological exploration. We seek to open up the discourse
0:22.7	around this hot button issue. Join us as we look at gender from a wider lens.
0:32.3	Hi, Stella. How are you, Sasha? So it was fun listening to you talk banjo talk with winston marshall today
0:42.5	yeah i think i overdid how great i wasn't the banjo but i i love the banjo i play it most nights
0:51.8	i'm sure henry could live without me sitting and sitting and playing the banjo but i play it most nights. I'm sure Henry could live without me sitting and sitting and playing
0:55.0	the banjo, but I do. I play it a lot. And I love banjo players. And Winston is a banjo player.
1:02.9	But he's not only a banjo player. He brings this story to us that I think will resonate with a lot of
1:07.8	people who've been cancelled in a much quieter, smaller way,
1:11.1	because a lot of people have been.
1:13.2	But, you know, the way that Winston's life turned,
1:17.0	it was a hell of an event that really happened to him.
1:19.6	It was in the middle of the, you know, the lockdown, the COVID epidemic,
1:24.1	when everything was very heightened and life online was very heightened.
1:28.3	And he did a tweet, didn't he, Sasha?
1:30.5	And it derailed his whole life.
1:33.1	Yeah.
1:33.3	So as you'll hear, Winston posted a tweet about a book that he liked by Andy No,
1:38.6	who he's a journalist who exposes the Antifa movement and some of the violent and kind
1:43.4	of dangerous tactics that they use.
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