#198: This is How Relationships End with Matthew Fray
The Mark Groves Podcast
Mark Groves
4.9 • 5K Ratings
🗓️ 21 March 2022
⏱️ 83 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to another episode of the Mark Groves podcast. |
| 0:12.5 | You know, years ago when I came upon the words of the guest today, I was immediately |
| 0:18.9 | touched by his words. |
| 0:21.4 | I feel like all of the teachers that I've really related to and loved and |
| 0:27.3 | voraciously sort of consumed are people who can translate into words the human experience. |
| 0:35.8 | Like my experience, making it make sense for me in some way. |
| 0:40.5 | And, you know, because so much of what we go through is somatic, it's our body being like, |
| 0:46.0 | it's feeling a thing. And then when someone's able to put words to that thing and also give |
| 0:52.5 | us permission, that was a big thing for me, you know, was feeling through |
| 0:58.3 | someone else's experience and story of triumph over pain, challenges that we often think |
| 1:04.6 | are the end when they're really just the beginning, the beginning of unlayering, the beginning of feeling more witnessed. |
| 1:14.0 | And, you know, I remember years ago someone asking me, like, should I stay or should I go? |
| 1:20.4 | And I think that's one of those very personal and sort of big questions that the soul asks. |
| 1:28.3 | And I think often we have the answer to already. |
| 1:31.6 | You know, we're sort of seeking for it not to be what we know to be true or we're seeking |
| 1:35.8 | to validate something, whatever it might be. |
| 1:37.9 | It's, it's your experience. |
| 1:39.2 | It's mine. |
| 1:39.7 | It's individual. |
| 1:41.3 | And I remember saying to the person, like, whether you stay or go, like, I don't |
| 1:46.9 | care what you choose. Like, I don't care what someone chooses because, and regardless of anything |
| 1:53.1 | in their relationship, because what you choose is up to you. And I think what is so important in our human experience is that we know we are loved |
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