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that, let's get back to the episode. There can be like 10,000 baby alligators on you in a day and that those baby alligators are those little betrayals of purpose and that you can just take off one little baby alligator at a time. I do recognize I have never actually seen a baby alligator, but then I finally did. And I was like, wow, they're huge and they look fierce.

But just the idea that it's something that is your betrayal of purpose that's sort of latched on and how can you just get rid of one at a time?

Because once you get rid of one, then you often learn how to get rid of others.

So today we're talking about baby alligators.

Those little betrayals of purpose, those death by thousand paper cuts,

whatever you call it, it's those silly workarounds, those many phone calls it takes to get radiology to push over images. Oftentimes it leaves us feeling so angry at the system and,

you know, these inefficient workflows, maybe you'll vent the person sitting next to you,

or you'll utter some curse words under your breath, or you try to go home, you don't want to think about it, your doom scroll until you feel some type of dopamine. But either way, I think all of us have been there, and I'm so excited for Headspace to think about this a bit more. I'm Dr. Shreda Trudetti. And I'm Dr. Marissa Castro, and honestly, I've definitely been there. But what do you think, Shreya, what if we could actually change some of these, you know, baby alligators? I can't. It's always going to stick now. Yeah. And so we talk to someone who's actually made those changes and tried to take off some of those baby alligators one at a time. Dr. Eileen Barrett, she is someone who is so humble and gracious. And until you really probe her and ask her, you wouldn't know that she's made all these changes to the system she's been. And she's not someone out there trying to get credit. You know, and she just has a superpower when it comes to, quote, unquote, fixing broken systems and not in the way where she's trying to, like, over a haul of whole healthcare system.

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