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#197 William Lane Craig’s Errors on the Eucharist and the Bible - Joe Heschmeyer

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Catholic Answers

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.9658 Ratings

🗓️ 5 August 2025

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Joe weighs in on the latest back and forth between William Lane Craig and Gavin Ortlund. In this episode, Joe tests Dr. Craig’s biblical arguments against the real presence of the Eucharist. Transcript: Joe: Welcome back to Shameless Popery. I’m Joe Heschmeyer, and I think that two of the Protestants doing the most interesting things online right now are Dr. William Lane Craig and Dr. Gavin Orlund. So I’ve been very interested in their recent sort of sparring over the doctrine of the Eucharist. The biggest area of contention is Gavin’s claim that Baptists actually belie...

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Welcome back to James Popery. I'm Joe Heschmire. And I think that two of the Protestants doing the most interesting things online right now are Dr. William Lane Craig and Dr. Gavin Ortland.

0:09.5

So I've been very interested in their recent sort of sparring over the doctrine of the Eucharist.

0:14.5

The biggest area of contention is Gavin's claim that Baptists actually believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

0:21.2

Lots of people are surprised to discover that as a Baptist, oh, as a Baptist, you really believe in

0:27.7

real presence. Yes, actually, real presence is the historic Baptist view. Nobody knows this.

0:33.3

It's amazing. Now, as for his claim that Baptists have always believed in the real presence, I'm very skeptical

0:42.3

of that.

0:44.3

I just finished an excellent book by Baptist theologians, Thomas Schreiner and Matthew Crawford

0:52.3

entitled The Lord's Supper, published in 2010.

0:58.4

And if Gavin is right, these Baptist theologians don't know their own tradition

1:03.4

because they clearly do not believe that in the Eucharist, we eat the physical body and drink the physical blood of Jesus.

1:14.6

I'm not a Baptist, and I'm not going to weigh in on that particular debate.

1:18.6

I'm much more interested in the question of what Scripture teaches.

1:21.6

And to that end, the two sides have helpfully focused on three biblical passages on the Eucharist that I don't think get enough love.

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dot com and become one today. Okay, there are three passages, as I said, that they focused on

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beginning with 1 Corinthians

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chapter 10.

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