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No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp

197: Mpho Tutu van Furth: The Tutu Legacy of Forgiveness and Reconciliation

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp

Lee Camp

Philosophy, Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.8555 Ratings

🗓️ 24 February 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

What does it mean to ask someone for forgiveness? The experience after Apartheid in South Africa has much to teach us.  “In English, you say, ‘I’m sorry, forgive me.’ It’s all about me”   Says Mpho Tutu van Furth, the daughter to the late Desmond Tutu.  But in the South African language of Xhosa  “You say ndicela uxolo which means ‘I ask for peace’. And that’s a very different thing than ‘forgive me’”  In this episode, explore the deep impact of apartheid in South Africa, the meaning of true forgiveness, and the profound philosophy of Ubuntu. Discover how Mpho carries on her father's legacy of peace and reconciliation while navigating her own journey as an Episcopalian priest and social activist. This heartfelt and enlightening conversation delves into the courage required to love, forgive, and build a just community.  Show Notes  Resources mentioned this episode:  The Desmond & Leah Tutu Legacy Foundation  Forgiveness and Reparation: The Healing Journey by Mpho Tutu  The Book of Forgiving by Desdmond Tutu and Mpho Tutu  Truth and Reconciliation Commission of South Africa    Similar NSE episodes:  Azim Khamisa: Ending Violence Through Forgiveness  Forgiving My Mother’s Murderer: Sharon Risher  Pádraig Ó Tuama: A Poet’s Work in Peace and Reconciliation  PDF of Lee's Interview Notes  Transcription Link  Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows  Subscribe to episodes: Apple | Spotify | Amazon | Google | YouTubeFollow Us: Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTubeFollow Lee: Instagram | TwitterJoin our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com  See Privacy Policy: Privacy Policy  Amazon Affiliate Disclosure: Tokens Media, LLC is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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