Marshall and Saga here. Welcome back to the Realignment.

Good morning everyone. We know you had a great time for Q&A extended session last week

So we decided to follow up on everyone's favorite topic during that debate

Saga and my discussion on our differing perspectives on Ukraine and Russia

So we decided a dedicate an entire episode to Russia a possible second-core war our history

Saga, who is the guest that's gonna talk about this with us today?

This is a big honor for me because I'm just such a big fan

Was the creator of the Americans Joe Weisberg who wrote a book Russia upside down an exit strategy for the second cold war Joe

Is a fascinating background

Was in the CIA but before you say oh my god. He's a spook. He's actually somebody who wants to empathize more with the Russians

And somebody who is actually asking and wrote a book for Americans to try to put themselves in the mindset of Russia in the context of

So many of the conflicts that we face here in the 2010s and now in the 2020s

So we talk about the specifics of Ukraine

But I think more importantly what we talk about with Joe is about what it means to empathize with somebody else

Whatever you're an adversary, but there's a lot of little nuggets in here for filmmaking for Hollywood

What is working on next all kinds of cool stuff?

I think people will enjoy it. Yeah, this is obviously an episode about the US and Russia and Ukraine

But taking a step back he does a great job of writing a book that's focused on this theme a thing that we love on this show of

Being aware of your biases. Why do you believe what you believe?

Now can you actually think through problems actively?

So a lot of great stuff. Y'all are going to enjoy this episode

We really recommend the book quick shout-outs for we go into the show tips tips tips tips tips appreciate tips

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