197. How Close Is The UK To A Lethal Debt Spiral?

The Rest Is Money

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🗓️ 10 August 2025

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Is the government already in a debt trap, where the economy can’t grow fast enough to cover its rising interest bill? Can the government spur economic growth enough to rescue the UK from relentless tax rises and spending squeezes? How should the machinery of government be reformed to turn a growth mission into a practical reality? Robert and Steph look at the warning from the respected NIESR that a debt trap may be an imminent danger. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sign up to our newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to get more stories from the world of business and finance. Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@TheRestIsMoney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@TheRestIsMoney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@RestIsMoney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://⁠⁠⁠goalhanger.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Assistant Producer: India Dunkley, Alice Horrell Producer: Ross Buchanan Head of Content: Tom Whiter Exec Producers: Tony Pastor + Jack Davenport Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:07.2	autumn, but the problem for this analysis is those taxes would almost
1:11.7	certainly have to go up in every budget. And that's kind of the situation the government is in, this
1:16.6	kind of debt spiral of they're not actually paying back any of the debt and their costs are just
1:22.8	getting more and more bigger to service the actual debt in the first place.
1:28.0	This goes deeper.
1:32.9	Hello and welcome to the rest is money with me, Robert Bairston.
1:36.8	And me, Steph McGovern.
1:38.8	Lots to talk about.
1:40.2	It's the summer, which tends to be a time, isn't it, Robert,
1:43.4	when things slow down, politicians go on holiday for a bit.
1:48.3	Business people all seem to head off to their, you know, posh houses, somewhere fabulous.
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