#197 Energy Crises: A Half-Century of Hard Choices w/ Jay Hakes
The Road to Now
Benjamin Sawyer
4.8 • 628 Ratings
🗓️ 17 May 2021
⏱️ 59 minutes
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Summary
Since the OPEC oil embargo of 1973, policy makers have had to make hard choices to ensure that American citizens can access the cheap and plentiful energy to which we have become accustomed. Although the US has returned to a position of energy independence in recent years, a variety of problems, from climate change to cyberterrorism, mean the hard choices are far from over. In this episode, Bob & Ben speak with Dr. Jay Hakes about his new book Energy Crises: Nixon, Ford, Carter and Hard Choices in the 1970s (University of Oklahoma Press, 2021) and what the decisions of the past can teach us as we deal with the crises of today.
Dr. Jay Hakes is a Presidential & energy historian with a long history of working on energy issues, including as Administrator of the U.S. Energy Information Administration during the Clinton administration and as Director for Research and Policy for President Obama's BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill Commission. He also served for thirteen years as the Director of the Jimmy Carter Presidential Library. For more about his life and work, visit his website: www.JayHakes.com
This episode was edited by Gary Fletcher.
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| 0:00.0 | This podcast is in the loop, the Legion of Osiris Podcasts. |
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| 0:18.2 | I'm Ben Sawyer. |
| 0:19.8 | I'm Bob Crawford. |
| 0:21.3 | And this is the road to now. |
| 0:24.3 | Today we're talking energy policy. |
| 0:26.4 | I would like to say that we completely work this out in the last few days to get Dr. Hakes on here to talk about the energy crisis since there's been this you know pipeline shut down as it |
| 0:38.6 | turns out we've been decided about this for a while we've had them in the books for a while and we |
| 0:43.3 | could not have asked for i mean this sounds horrible but there could have been better timing right |
| 0:47.7 | yeah it's it's insane driving around this week i think it was Tuesday or Wednesday going to pick up the kids |
| 0:56.5 | from school. And I was 30 miles away from the school. And I knew that there was this gas thing |
| 1:03.8 | going on, but I hadn't paid any attention to it. And I start to see drive by gas stations. |
| 1:08.3 | And either I see long lines or I see bags on pump handles. |
| 1:15.2 | And this just, I go from one, and then it made me turn into the gas stations to just |
| 1:19.9 | check this out. And finally, when I got 10 miles from the kid's school, there was a gas station |
| 1:26.2 | that still had gas, but I had a long line. |
| 1:29.1 | And I think it's getting a little better as of today is where we're really seeing it. |
| 1:34.8 | But it took me back to being a young man in the 70s, and you could only get gas, |
| 1:43.7 | depending on what your license plate was, on odd or even |
| 1:47.7 | days. So if your license plate ended with an odd number, it was like Tuesdays or Thursdays, |
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