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Hey, hey, I'm your host Trevor Windsor, and you're listening to Episode 196 of the Pure Desire Podcast.

You're joining me, as always, my co-host, Nick Stumbo.

I am not going to make a skeptical of my career.

Okay, I don't know if I've even seen it. I'm going to guess legally blonde.

If you had pulled this reference, I would, like I would high-five you or something, because

it would be impressive. It's not from a movie. This is actually a quote from Tanya Harding when she was interviewed by local Portland news.

She's from the Portland area, by the way, in the whole turmoil that came out of the issue where Nancy Kerrigan got hit in the knee by what turned out to be someone from Tanya Harding's camp and just the irony of her both saying

a skeptical instead of spectacle. And the fact that she had done exactly that with her career,

it's one of my favorite all-time sport quotes. Oh, man. Okay. Well, I learned something today.

I learned that. And then I learned actually quite a bit, too, from our conversation.

We had Drew Boa on today, and we were talking about viewing porn as a pacifier.

Yeah, such a good conversation. Just to look at how pornography isn't really the problem,

pornography is the symptom of the problem of how we try to cope with pain to soothe ourselves

when we're agitated or angry.

The way that really pornography is an emotional response to much deeper things.

And I feel like when we unmask that system, as Drew helps us do so well today and some of the tools that he uses in his work,

it really gives us some handholds to grow and to change maybe in ways that we haven't

been able to see before.

Yeah.

Yeah.

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