Hey guys, it's Mike Rowan. This is episode number 196 of the way I heard it. Call it macaroni.

That's what I'm calling this one. Call it macaroni. It's a direct quote from today's

very special guest, a man who can always be counted on to leave his listeners with

an observation or a quote worth repeating. In the interview, you're about to hear the

one and only Sigmatson, captain of the Northwestern, star of deadliest catch and quite possibly.

The most famous fisherman on the planet tells me a story about a fist fight with a fan

who took some unacceptable liberties and he went on to sum up the strangeness of that encounter

by saying, call it macaroni. I still don't know what he meant exactly, but I like the way

it sounded so. Now call it macaroni is the official title of episode 196, which concerns

itself primarily with manly men and the reasons people find them manly. We begin with the

true story of a surfer who I read about years ago, a surfer who did something off the

coast of California decades ago that would redefine the way manhood is discussed today.

From there, I share a few personal stories about my old friend Phil Harris, another crab

boat captain, made famous by deadliest catch and a manly man by any definition. Unfortunately,

neither Phil Harris nor the manly surfer are with us today, but they did have a lot

in common when they lived, including a love of the sea. That's why I thought it would

be fun to bring in Sigmatson, who just happens to be a fan of both of these manly men and

of fairly manly men himself. Sieg, in other words, is the perfect guy to talk to about fame

and manhood, cancel culture, two pays, risk, adorable little bunny rabbits, COVID, naked

fear, lockdowns, cases of Paul Maul thrown off the roof of buildings we cover a lot of

ground, including the various reasons otherwise smart men sometimes do stupid things in their

quest to be manly. Whatever the hell that means.

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