This is the Baymau podcast with Marty Solomon. I'm his co-host, Brent Billings. Today we walk through three centuries to see the great and famous East West schism.

Look at the idea of icons and meet Charlemagne as a major character in this era of history.

Yeah, now a couple just before we get started. Just a few reminders have been thrown out. Number one, there's always a presentation.

At least one, in this case, one timeline, one page of timelines we've created for you. Just remind you, these aren't tried to be, we're not trying to be exact as far as making them to scale or perfectly representing dates or anything like that. We're trying to just give the general idea, the general concept.

And I also just want to, this is going to be one of those episodes. We're going to do a huge block of history and really only focus on bits and pieces and there are going to be some of you that just feel like there could have been so much more. We could have discussed or so much more depth or nuance those things. Remember that we're trying to give a wide, a wide breadth, 10,000 foot view.

What are the big ideas because we are trying to get somewhere a session five. This is not our session of expertise. This is not what the Bama podcast and Bima discipleship thrives on. This is not, you know, we're not going to claim to be experts in all these things.

And there's probably a million other podcasts that you could dive in or maybe need to create yourselves to go into some of these things, but we're just going to try to give some big large and there's always the case. There's always a chance that I'm going to oversimplify something in a way that we have lots of different listeners to our podcast. We have people from we're going to get into the east west schism today.

Brent just told us and we have people that listen from the more eastern side of that schism, the Eastern Orthodox traditions. We have a handful of listeners have gone to handful emails from them.

I don't know if they're on the same group or if we got multiple groups, but we're coming at it from probably a more western perspective.

And we're certainly not going to be taking a western side if you know anything about me. I'm pretty cynical of what we're talking about here, but yeah, just just know that this is a big wide conversation and we're not going to try to get any in depth detail.

You need to say before we dive in Brent. That should do it. That should do it. I look forward to it. Excellent. Well, so do I. Here we go.

Alright, the next item that leads to major disagreement seems to be the theme of Christian church history is disagreements disagreements. Yes, which disagreement are we talking about this point in history.

Well, the next disagreement and argument in the Byzantine church is the use of images and what we're going to talk about icons, images and icons often referred to as the iconoclastic controversy.

What does Wikipedia article for that Brent? Should we link that? Sure. Okay. Yeah, Brent's going to go dig it up.

This period of history would eventually put an end to the Byzantine period, at least as it's concerned with the papacy and the Holy Roman church.

Some would use the Byzantine Empire all the way to the Ottoman period. I don't find this particularly useful for our purposes here in our discussion. So for our discussion, we're going to we're going to we're going to shift to another period of history and talk about it in a different way.

The controversy stemmed from a major difference in mindsets. The Eastern worldview versus the Western worldview. Hopefully that's a familiar distinction to our listeners Brent.

If you've never heard of this discussion before, you could listen to it on our intro podcast episode zero episode zero the Baymont podcast. I would if you've stumbled into session five without listening to our previous sessions.

This is not the podcast you're looking for not yet anyway. But it's also been a long time for a lot of us. If you were with us all the way back in 2016. It's been a long time since we did the introduction discussion.

So we're going to link that in the show notes down below and you'll find that episode episode zero introduction.

Linked there and that's where we talk about what's the difference between East versus Western perspectives.

The two worlds interact with information, the Eastern world, the Western world, they interact with information and experiences in a completely different way.

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