4.6 • 2K Ratings
🗓️ 16 November 2023
⏱️ 70 minutes
🧾️ Download transcript
1950s America proved fertile ground for photographers Robert Frank and Todd Webb, who both received Guggenheim Foundation grants to traverse the country in 1955 and record their respective visions. While Frank’s resulting book, The Americans, eventually made him a legend, Webb’s photographs remained unpublished, and were all but lost to history due to a 1970s-era business deal gone bad.
The saga of Webb’s unaccounted-for archive and its eventual recovery is one of the juicier tidbits from today’s show, which focuses on the long-awaited opportunity to compare, contrast, and rediscover Frank and Webb’s respective visions from their travels in the exhibition America and Other Myths.
Joining us in this discussion are Lisa Volpe, photography curator at the Museum of Fine Arts, Houston, and Bill Shapiro, former Life magazine editor-in-chief.
Journey back to the Nifty Fifties astride these two photographers as we examine how two distinct proposals to discover America at mid-century evolved along the open road and in the context of the era’s social tenure.
In the words of Lisa Volpe, “They both saw the same social ills playing out in American culture, they just talked about them differently.”
Above photograph © The June Leaf and Robert Frank Foundation
Guests: Lisa Volpe & Bill Shapiro
For more information on our guests and they gear they use, see:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/podcasts/photography/1950s-america-as-seen-by-robert-frank-todd-webb-with-lisa-volpe-bill-shapiro
Stay Connected:
America and Other Myths Exhibit at the Museum of Fine Arts, Houston: https://www.mfah.org/exhibitions/robert-frank-todd-webb-across-america-1955
America and Other Myths exhibition catalog: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300270891/america-and-other-myths/
Robert Frank Archive at the MFAH: https://www.mfah.org/films/robert-frank-collection
June Leaf & Robert Frank Foundation Website: https://leaffrankfoundation.org/
Todd Webb Archive: https://www.toddwebbarchive.com/news-events
Blind Magazine articles by Bill Shapiro:
https://www.blind-magazine.com/stories/on-the-road/
https://www.blind-magazine.com/stories/youre-wrong-about-robert-frank/
https://www.blind-magazine.com/stories/treasure-and-junk/
Robert Frank film footage from Blind Magazine: https://www.blind-magazine.com/stories/exclusive-never-before-seen-video-of-robert-frank/
Bill Shapiro Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/billshapiro/
Todd Webb in Africa episode on the B&H Photography Podcast: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/podcasts/photography/podcast-todd-webb-in-africa%E2%80%94rediscovered-color-photographs
Click on a timestamp to play from that location
0:00.0 | This week's episode is sponsored by Godox. |
0:05.0 | You're listening to the B&H Photography podcast. |
0:09.0 | For 50 years, P&H has been the professional source for photography, video, audio, and more. |
0:15.0 | For your favorite gear and news and reviews, visit us at B&H.com or download the B&H app to your iPhone or Android device. |
0:22.0 | Now here's your host, Alan Whites. |
0:26.5 | Greetings and welcome to the B&H Photography Podcast. My name is Alan Whites. |
0:30.8 | And I'm Jill Waterman. And our audio engineer Mike Weinstein will no |
0:35.1 | doubt pop in somewhere along the way with a question or two and that's okay he |
0:39.2 | as our permission. Robert Frank is a legend in photo circles and his groundbreaking book The Americans is widely viewed |
0:47.8 | as one of the most important photography books of all time. |
0:51.1 | The photographs in Frank's book The Americans were taken while traversing the |
0:54.4 | country by car during a 1955 road trip funded by Guggenheim Grant. That very same year, |
1:01.5 | another photographer, Todd Webb, |
1:03.4 | also received the Guggenheim that he used to fund a similar cross-country trip. |
1:07.7 | Interestingly, they both received recommendations for their respective grants |
1:12.4 | from none other than Walker Evans. |
1:14.8 | A key difference in the approach to their journeys is that while Frank headed west in a used |
1:19.5 | 1950 Ford businessmen coupe, Webb's plan was to hoof it across the continent by |
1:25.2 | donning a pair of surplus army boots and setting out by foot, bicycle boat and |
1:30.5 | when crossing the open plains nothing zippier than a Vespa. |
1:34.9 | At age 49, Webb was 20 years Frank Sr. not to mention a more established artist when both |
1:40.1 | men set out to document the country. Yet while Frank's pictures eventually earned him a cult status, |
... |
Please login to see the full transcript.
Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Jill Waterman, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.
Generated transcripts are the property of Jill Waterman and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.
Copyright © Tapesearch 2025.