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194 - How Crypto Saves The Internet | Li Jin & Eugene Wei

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4.71.2K Ratings

🗓️ 30 October 2023

⏱️ 102 minutes

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Summary

Many of our listeners are familiar with Li Jin, an investor and co-founder of Variant Fund and is one of our favorite thinkers on crypto and the creator economy. Li is also joined by Eugene Wei. He’s a web2 product visionary. Listeners may be familiar with some of his incredible blog posts such as, “Status as a Service”, “Invisible Asymptotes”, “Why Information Grows” and more. 

In today’s episode, these two gigabrains, one from web2 social, one from web3 crypto, talk about the future of status as a service, psychological ownership, and the future ties between social and crypto. 

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 Intro
8:00 Web2 Social History
18:55 Is Web2 Ending?
24:50 Network Effect Theory
27:45 3 Paths to Break Free
32:17 The Internet’s Good, Bad, & Ugly
41:48 The Algorithm’s Constraints
46:25 Web2 to Web3 Learning Lessons
54:40 Love vs. Fame
1:00:24 Web3’s Potential
1:07:00 Crypto's Social vs. Financial Problem
1:19:30 Ethereum’s Social Network
1:25:14 Increasing Psychological Ownership
1:31:25 Price vs. Psychological Ownership
1:35:00 Eugene’s Advice to Crypto Builders 
1:42:00 Li’s Take on Crypto’s Potential
Closing & Disclaimers 

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RESOURCES

Li Jin
https://twitter.com/ljin18
https://li.substack.com/p/the-ownership-economy-2022 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6AJlmB2h8k 
https://li.substack.com/p/building-psychological-attachment  
https://li.substack.com/p/love-vs-fame-a-framework-for-social 

Eugene Wei 
https://twitter.com/eugenewei 
https://www.eugenewei.com/blog/2019/2/19/status-as-a-service 
https://www.eugenewei.com/blog/2018/5/21/invisible-asymptotes  

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0:00.0

I think there's no better time to build in social than now because we have all of the

0:05.0

factors that I talked about. We have a new business model in the form of ownership.

0:08.6

We have a new computing platform in the form of crypto and then we also have a new generation

0:13.1

of users who I feel like have this sense of frustration and resentment towards the existing

0:20.6

social paradigm and are just like so ready and craving something new. So all of those

0:26.0

factors mix together, really makes us primed for something new to our eyes.

0:38.2

Welcome to Bankless, where we explore the frontier of internet money and internet finance.

0:42.2

This is how to get started, how to get better, how to front-run the opportunity.

0:45.2

This is Ryan Sean Adams. I'm here with David Hoffman and we're here to help you become

0:49.0

more Bankless. A message to the algos, we're not your dance monkeys. What's been one of the most

0:55.0

important hidden forces shaping our world over the last decade? I think we'd say it is actually

1:01.0

engagement algorithms. We've gone from social networks to social feeds without any of us noticing.

1:06.4

And the social feeds, that part, that's powered by a very powerful engagement algorithm.

1:11.8

We've become a bunch of monkeys dancing to the latest TikTok algo. How much autonomy do

1:16.8

we even have? Is this the promise of the internet? If so, how come so many of us feel trapped?

1:22.6

We're like ready for something new. And the question in today's episode, can crypto fix any of that?

1:28.6

That's the context. And to discuss this topic, we brought on Eugene Wei. He is the author

1:33.6

of status as a service. He's one of the smartest product people in Web 2 social that we know.

1:37.6

And also Lee Jen, she is a crypto investor. And she's a thinker who popularized the term ownership economy

1:43.6

to describe the future of crypto. A few things we talk about. Number one, the history of Web 2,

1:48.6

the origin, its development and all of its goodness and all of its sins. And why Web 2 is stuck.

1:55.6

Number two, business models, why business models are destiny. Number three, what parts of Web 2 are actually worth keeping?

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