The following is a conversation with Brett Weinstein, evolutionary biologist, author, co-host

of the Dark Horse Podcast, and, as he says, reluctant radical.

Even though we've never met or spoken before this, who both felt like we've been friends

for a long time, I don't agree on everything with Brett, but I'm sure as hell happy he

exists in this weird and wonderful world of ours.

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As a side note, let me say a few words about COVID-19 and about science broadly.

I think science is beautiful and powerful.

It is the striving of the human mind to understand and to solve the problems of the world.

But as an institution, it is susceptible to the flaws of human nature, to fear, to greed,

power, and ego.

2020 is the story of all of these that has both scientific triumph and tragedy.

We need a great leaders, and we didn't get them.

What we needed is leaders who communicate in an honest, transparent, and authentic way

about the uncertainty of what we know and the large-scale scientific efforts to reduce

that uncertainty and to develop solutions.

I believe there are several candidates for solutions that could have all saved hundreds

of billions of dollars and lessened or eliminated the suffering of millions of people.

Let me mention five of the categories of solutions.

Masks, at-home testing, anonymized contact tracing, antiviral drugs, and vaccines.

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