Welcome to the Building of Storybrand Podcast, where we believe if you confuse you'll lose, Noise is the enemy, and creating a clear message

is the best way to grow your business.

I'm your host Donald Miller.

I'm joined by my co-host, Dr. J.J.

Peterson, hi, J.J.

on the podcast today we have John Gordon.

I know.

And he basically says stress and anxiety, worry, doubt, and fear all come from lies, believing

lies.

You know, times of crisis like this,

and times we're all kind of worried,

in some ways it's very, very good,

because it centers us, helps us to understand

what really matters.

And John Gordon has always been one of those kinds of people

for me.

I love John Gordon as a human being.

He is an anti-anxiety drug.

But I think a lot of times people go,

well, you either are a high-strung person or you're not.

You know what I mean? Like either it's just kind of natural. And we, you and I both know some people who are a little more high-strong

than others, but the reality is that there are some different ways of thinking

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