193 - Frauds, Fetishes, and Frameworks in Today's Trans Movement, with Dr. Az Hakeem

Gender: A Wider Lens

Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley

Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Mental Health

4.6 • 961 Ratings

🗓️ 15 November 2024

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

Stella & Sasha welcome author, psychiatrist, and psychotherapist Dr. Az Hakeem to the show, sharing his experience and insights from his extensive career spanning over two decades in the field of gender dysphoria. He reflects how he initially recognized the growing confusion around the issue and noted that the real "madness" was not in the individuals struggling with gender identity, but in society's response to them.

In this episode, not only does he revisit his poignant and popular “goth mock-5” analysis as referenced in his previous appearance on Gender: A Wider Lens, but Dr. Hakeem also outlines his four distinct categories of individuals within the broad trans identity label, offering insights into their psychological and sociological distinctions based on his extensive clinical experience with gender dysphoric individuals. He emphasizes that understanding these distinctions is crucial for addressing the needs and motivations of each group more accurately.

Other key ideas explored in this conversation include the intriguing intersection of autistic thinking and queer theory; Dr. Hakeem’s perspective as a UK clinician on the future of GIDS (the Gender Identity Development Service at the NHS Tavistock Clinic); as well as the concept of the “overvalued idea” and how understanding it can provide greater insight into gender dysphoria and trans ideation.

Additionally, Dr. Hakeem shares valuable advice for parents navigating conversations with their trans-identified children, emphasizing a curious, non-confrontational approach that encourages young people to reflect on how they arrived at their conclusions, rather than simply focusing on the conclusions themselves.

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0:00.0	Hi, I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland.
0:04.0	And I'm Sasha Ayyad, an adolescent therapist in the United States.
0:08.0	And this is Gender, a Wider Lens, a podcast dedicated to the shifting concepts around gender in our contemporary culture.
0:16.0	Through in-depth interviews, personal stories, and psychological exploration, we seek to open up the discourse
0:22.7	around this hot button issue. Join us as we look at gender from a wider lens.
0:32.0	Hi, Stella. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm doing well. So today we had Dr. Az Hakim on again.
0:41.3	This is the second time we had him on originally in February of 2022.
0:45.3	And so it was really great to catch up with him and just hear a little bit more.
0:49.3	He definitely took the opportunity to rib us both you for your background and me for not being able to
0:55.8	like read his book. So it was a fun conversation. Of course, he always has a lot to say.
1:02.7	Yeah, the thing about as is he brings a lot to the party. He brings a lot to the conversation.
1:07.0	So the last time he gave us so much, it's been repeated and re kind of tweeted and reposted so often.
1:12.8	His kind of analysis of how ROGD is kind of goth mark five type thing.
1:18.0	And it was really good and really well thought out.
1:20.2	He's a great brain.
1:21.6	And this time he did something equally interesting, which was a kind of an analysis of gender dysphoria. And he has a very different
1:30.8	view of it, I'd say, than most people. You know, his view around AGP and transvestic fetishism
1:36.3	is not what most people think. And I think it's well worth listening to. I'm a lot less sure
1:43.6	of myself, and I'm certainly not anything like a certain about it because I think we're still figuring it out. But I do think it was really interesting because there's a few people now who have very certain views and they've got frameworks and they're charging ahead with them. And honestly, I think it's, it all adds to the discourse.
2:01.5	And Az's is really well thought out.
2:04.4	And it made me pause and think about things and think, I'm not sure where I'm at
2:09.0	with this, but this is really thought provoking.
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