192. Women at Work & The Episode That Wasn’t with Sarah Spain

We Can Do Hard Things

Treat Media and Glennon Doyle

Relationships, Education, Self-improvement, Society & Culture

4.8 • 42.7K Ratings

🗓️ 23 March 2023

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

Pioneering sports journalist – the brilliant, hilarious, badass Sarah Spain – joins us to reflect on: 1. One of our most popular episodes – Episode 147: The Episode That Wasn’t – when we ended an interview after the guest was disrespectful to our team member; 2. The constant indignities and inequities in male-dominated fields; 3. To report or not to report harassment – and what actually happens when you do report?; and 4. How to help ourselves – and come together to help each other – secure safer and more just work spaces. CW: sexual harassment About Sarah: Sarah Spain is an Emmy and Peabody Award-winning sports journalist. In her 12+ years at ESPN she has worked as a radio and podcast host, writer and TV analyst. She's a minority owner of the Chicago Red Stars of the NWSL, a co-founder of “Hear The Cheers,” which provides hearing aids and equipment to kids so they can continue participating in sports, and is on the board of Embarc, a program that provides community-driven experiences and learning opportunities to low-income Chicago high school students. TW: @SarahSpain IG:@spain2323

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0:00.0	Welcome to We Can Do Hard Things. Today, we are doing something we've been waiting
0:17.3	to do for a while, which is talk about one of the episodes from last year that caused
0:24.7	the biggest splash and that was the episode that wasn't. For those of you who don't remember
0:32.4	the episode that wasn't, what happened in short is that we had this guest that was supposed
0:39.7	to come on and we prepared for eons and we were so excited about the guest and then what
0:44.6	happened was that the guest's husband came on to do the tech check and was aggressive
0:52.9	towards our producer. And our producer reported it to us in our other little zoom room where
1:01.1	we were waiting and she was hurt and stressed activated. Yes. And we spent a minute trying
1:10.3	to figure out what to do and how to make it better and then we remembered that we were
1:14.7	the bosses of the podcast and that we didn't have to do shit that we didn't want to do.
1:20.1	And so sister went over, canceled the podcast, said Godspeed, go on your ass whole way.
1:26.7	And I'll just say it was episode 147. So go back and get the background because it was
1:31.0	also the guest herself was very undermining of the situation and passive aggressive and
1:39.5	also none of the people you guessed is who it is. And we're not talking about that. We're
1:45.1	talking about how this happens all the time. So let's just not do that. It's not about
1:50.1	that. It's not shaming a certain person. It's about something bigger, which became clear
1:54.4	after we launched that episode. And we got almost 8,000 voicemails in two days because
1:59.5	so many people, especially women resonated with being a part of a system that is male dominated
2:08.7	and being mistreated in a million different ways in those scenarios. And so in our wish
2:16.9	to continue that conversation, we were trying to figure out who do we want to bring to this
2:23.1	conversation to discuss this further. And all of us decided Sarah Spain. We've got to have
2:29.8	Sarah Spain. And one of the reasons we just effing love Sarah Spain, she's like this
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