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It never starts, it never ends Welcome to Craig and Friends

Welcome to Craig and Friends Welcome to Craig and Friends

The man, the myth, the Mulhawk Lee, Jean-Bauvoir

Legendary music industry character, he's written, produced, played with everyone under the sun including

KISS, the Ramones, Wendy O'Williams, when he was in the plasmatics, even in sync and a whole lot more which we get into on this show

In addition to being a legend, he's now an author and his book I bet my soul on rock and roll is fantastic and available now through all good booksellers

I like the shirt that you're wearing, I'm wearing a dolly shirt, I don't think you've worked with her yet

But at that time...

I like that, I like that, I like that, but that's not that I would want to, I love dolly, she's fantastic

I love it

You've worked with so many great people and your solo stuff obviously is fantastic but you've also enriched the careers

My pleasure, thank you and the depth and breadth of your collaborations is rather stunning

And since you're wearing the KISS shirt, maybe we'll start with talking about how you met Paul

Because one of the things I love about the way that you met Paul is it was outside of the environs that people might consider rock people to meet

Or especially like collaborators

Yeah, that's true, that's true

Well, yeah, you know, well I was always a very big KISS fan from the very beginning

You know, as a child living on Long Island, I had KISS posters on my walls and everything

Never thought that you'd ever meet them actually, it's a funny thing

But so, there was a club that we used to all frequent called Heartbreak that was downtown New York

It was like an old diner sort of, but they played believing in not like just great music, Motown to this, all kinds of good music

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