The following is a conversation with Charles Hoskinson, founder of Cardano, co-founder of

Ethereum, and a mathematician who is one of the most well-read and knowledgeable people

on the technical side of cryptocurrency that I've ever spoken to.

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As a side note, let me say that Charles is not just a mathematician or cryptocurrency

innovator, but also a Colorado-based farmer of bison and mushrooms, a gamer, a fisherman,

and a world traveler.

When I asked him if he has a nice professional picture of himself, he set me a picture of

him in Mongolia with a hawk on his shoulder, meeting the Mongolian president.

Not to me pretty much says it all, speaking to the humor and the intelligence of a man

who is bold, innovative, it does not shy away from a bit of fun and a bit of controversy,

which makes him a fascinating human being to explore ideas with.

I do want to say in terms of ideas that, at least to me, cryptocurrency is much bigger

than just the way for a few Americans to make a quick buck through meme-driven speculation.

It is technology that enables freedom from oppression, from suffering in the world,

because money is power.

Mongolia, for example, was a reminder of that for me.

Next day, after talking with Charles, I spoke with Wyoming Park, who is a North Korean

defector, and who spent time in Mongolia as many defectors do, in her and their escape

from North Korea.

Her story, the story of North Korea, the story of atrocities throughout the 20th century

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