So welcome John Delinn.

Nice to have you here.

Thanks cross-examiner.

Do I refer to you as the cross-examiner?

You can call me the cross-examiner.

You can call me Graham.

You can call me, hey you, however I like to do it.

Hey Graham, thanks.

Thanks for having me on your show

and thanks for being on my show.

100%, I'm really glad that I reached out to you.

I'm really glad that you offered to have us release this on both of our shows.

I think both of our listeners would really benefit from this conversation of me getting

to know you and your work and your journey through your belief system.

So I really do appreciate it.

You are by all means a very, very busy individual, so I appreciate you taking the time. My pleasure.

Yeah, thanks for having me.

All right.

Well, I'm going to give my listeners a little bit of a background and correct me if I'm wrong.

So you are a former member of the Church of Latter-day Sates, people will call them Mormons or

Church of Latter-day-Sates, my Mormon friends call themselves LDSers all the time, how do you

prefer to refer to your former belief?

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