Hey you're listening to the Creative Pep Talk Podcast. This show exists to help you build a thriving creative career.

I'm your host Andy Jay Pizza. You can stay up to date with all things creative pep talk by following me on Instagram at Andy

Jay Pizza.

Let's jump into today's episode. quick announcements before we get started. First of all, this week I will be at ICON

Illustration Conference in Detroit. Listen people, if you're at I icon and you see me and I don't know you it's impossible for me to come up to you and talk to you

but please feel free to come up and and introduce yourself. I love meeting listeners of the

podcast. Don't be shy. I'm real nice. I'm a real nice guy and I like to talk to people.

So don't be afraid of my brutish beard and intense face.

I don't know. Just don't be afraid.

Feel free to come introduce yourself.

Also, few notes, I'm not going to be at Creative Works this year.

I'm taking a year off. I've done that conference three years in a row and just taking a break and doing

some different things. I'm going to be at the AIGA design camp this year instead.

And then before that, I will be at Made in the middle

in Kansas City, Tad Carpenter Collective's conference in Kansas City.

I will be speaking there and this month, later this month in July, I'll be speaking in Columbus, Ohio at Making Midwest.

So go check that out.

I think it's July 21st.

So those are all the places you can come, hear me talk and meet me and hang.

So go do that. Okay. So today's episode, super special episode. I loved this conversation. There's tons

insight things that you know those things that hits you right when you need to

hear them. There was a lot of that going on in this conversation.

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