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Okay, well a lot has been going on. There's been another mass shooting, which is really the

the the proximate cause of this podcast. But the reaction to it ties in with my release of my

book with Majin Nois this week and some of the pushback against that. For instance, the the minor

demagogue, Demobodala, who I collided with on CNN last week, got onto Twitter after this shooting,

which took place in a community college in Oregon. And because of a rumor that the shooter had asked

people their religion before killing them, he speculated that this was the result of new atheism

and perhaps could be directly tied to me. But he was he was he made a great show of withholding

judgment by a way of casting his version. So he got on Twitter and he said, Hey friends,

I know that many of you don't like Sam Harris, but seriously, don't unfairly link new atheism

to this shooting. We don't know the facts yet. That is just a masterpiece of demagoguery. And

I mean, this is this is a point that I then felt I had to spell out on social media. So I wrote

a short piece on on Facebook and also on Twitter. And I'll just I'll just read it to you. I think

it's important. People are so confused or pretending to be confused about the nature of atheism that

it's the argument is always that it's just like religion. So Dawkins and I are often accused of

being just as fundamentalist as our most fundamentalist adversaries on the religious side of the argument.

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