19: Inside "Captain Chaos" with Michael Cohen
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🗓️ 8 April 2021
⏱️ 34 minutes
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Host Reed Galen is joined by Michael Cohen, the former personal attorney to Donald Trump. Galen and Cohen discuss 45’s pending litigation, how ingrained the former president continues to be in the Republican party, and how Trump completely blundered the COVID-19 pandemic. Plus, will Donald Trump run for president in 2024?
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome back to the Lincoln Project. I'm your host, Reed Gaelin. Today I'm joined by Michael Cohen, |
| 0:13.5 | former personal attorney to Donald Trump from 2006 to 2018. Michael was also previously a vice |
| 0:19.5 | president of the Trump Organization, co-president of Trump Entertainment, and a board member of the |
| 0:24.0 | AirTrump Foundation, and he served as Deputy Finance Chair of the Republican National Committee in 2017 and 2018. |
| 0:30.9 | Michael's also got a new book out that I want to talk a little bit about today called Disloyal, |
| 0:34.8 | a memoir, and don't forget to check out his podcast, Mayacolpa, wherever your fine podcaster |
| 0:40.3 | found. Michael Cohen, welcome to the show. Reed, thanks you forgot one thing. Felling. Oh, I mean, |
| 0:46.9 | we have to call a spade a spade. All right, yes, I was the executive vice president and special |
| 0:52.3 | counsel to Donald Trump for more than a decade. I was the vice chair of the RNC Finance Committee, |
| 0:58.2 | despite being a Democrat and also became personal attorney to the president. However, today I'm |
| 1:05.0 | also known as 86067. Well, listen, you know, I appreciate your candor and I appreciate you saying |
| 1:11.4 | that. And so I would say this, I don't often have guests that have federal ID numbers like that, |
| 1:16.5 | but certainly regardless of that, glad to have you on. You know, obviously Donald Trump has been |
| 1:22.5 | out of office now for a couple of months. And do you think that the experience of having served |
| 1:28.8 | as president of the United States fundamentally changed Trump? I mean, when you think about guys |
| 1:34.2 | like Clinton or Bush or Obama, they went in with brown hair and they came out with white hair. |
| 1:40.1 | Donald Trump went in with yellow hair, went out with yellow hair. You know, what a lot of people |
| 1:45.6 | see in the office is that it just takes so much out of them because there's just this incredible |
| 1:49.6 | pressure, this incredible crucible of being leader of the free world on a daily basis. Do you think |
| 1:54.3 | Trump experienced that? So the answer to that is no. First of all, Miss Clarell number two has been |
| 1:59.7 | on the market for many, many years. So his hair colors are not going. It's not going to change it |
| 2:05.7 | all. And as far as who he was as an individual versus who he is today post presidency, I've said |
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