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Nice to meet you, Brian. Nice to meet you Brian.

Nice to meet you, Joe.

P pleasure to be here.

You're one of four or five people that have talked to that have seen something

that might be from somewhere else. It's always weird when you talk to someone that may have seen something that

let's just first before we can get started please tell people your credentials, what your background is.

Sure. So, you know, my name is Ryan Graves. I have an engineering degree, mechanical and aerospace

engineering. I promptly left doing that to go fly F-18s for the Navy as soon as I graduated

college. I did that for about a decade, both operationally in combat as well as an instructor role teaching the new students.

And you know we did witness something while we were flying in our jets but you know

we were doing it under we witnessed it in the context of our just

everyday flying in our missions and what year was it that you witnessed this so we

started seeing these in 2014 was the earliest that I know.

2013, late 2013, early 2014.

And could you describe what was the very first experience?

Yeah, so for me personally, the experience was simply just flying out to the area like I would any other day.

Instead of seeing an empty airspace with just my wing person or another squadron doing something in a different block, there are all sudden a lot of different radar contacts,

which is immediately a problem because you know we could be hitting one of those or someone working in our area.

And this was happening because we up. are someone working in our area.

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