Me. Welcome to the You Are Not So Smart Podcast, episode 163. Oh, If you have an enemy, go buy them a lottery ticket because on the off chance that they win, their life is going to be really messed up.

That's Clay Cockrell.

He's a New York psychotherapist who knows a great deal about how money affects people's happiness because he specifically

treats people who have money problems, unique money problems, and he does so not in an office but while walking around in parks or

strolling along river walks and such. I do something unusual in that I walk with my

clients instead of meeting in an office.

Walk and talk. I think better on my feet.

I first heard about Clay Cockrell and his clients on a new podcast that just came out last week

called The Happiness Lab.

And that's what this audio is from.

And it's hosted by Yale psychologist Lori Santos,

who was a guest on this podcast four years ago on episode 40 where she told us all about how her lab had trained monkeys to use money and then they studied how that affected monkey brains and monkey society.

But since then, she's been busy on a giant new project which led to this giant new podcast and you'll hear all about how that happened later because she is our guest in this episode.

And I'll go ahead and apologize right here for the quality of her audio because we had to record over Skype from her office and even after

cleaning it up it still sounds a little rough.

Hey this is Lori.

Hello Lori this is David. How's it going? It's great. It's been a while. I know I'm like so excited that we get to chat again. I know. So much has happened in both our lives.

Yeah, it's like a weird time stamp on like five or six years.

So yeah.

Yeah, I was really happy when I got the email

and I was like, I was like,

I was like, Lori Santos.

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