With Marcel de Shell, I was rewatching it this morning, and what stuck out to me is, like, it's so funny, and then it's, like, unafraid of being sad.

I'm glad you think that, because I guess that's, like, I don't want to do that kind of, like, grad school short story about something really upsetting so that the story can be serious and good.

But, like, there is something about being

sad essentially like not being acceptable, just like sort of baseline sorrow.

I agree. That makes me feel scared. And I went through a lot of years of like why am I always as a friendly person who likes to have

fun and like likes romance and chilling out why am I so sad yeah like so sad yeah and it just felt like if I couldn't try to talk about that or get into it a bit, it really

was as if I was like lonely for that part of myself that couldn't be included.

That is the voice of the great Jenny Slate.

Oh, do we have a great episode today.

Jenny Slate is someone I've known forever.

I've admired for years and years and years.

She has great stand-up specials. There's a recent one called Seasons Professional on Prime.

She's the co-creator and voice of Marcel the Shell with Shoes-on, which is a movie.

I love.

We talk about a whole bunch today.

As a matter of fact, if you haven't seen that movie, I would almost say before you listen to this episode, go and watch that movie.

It is on HBO.

It is fantastic.

It's like very funny, stop motion animation, and she's the star of it, co-creator of it.

And it's very emotional.

It's a really, really great film that started as this kind of like, it was like a viral internet sensation that became a movie.

And what they did with it is, I think, really deep and really profound.

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