I'm Alice and I'm Brett and this is the prosecutor's legal briefs.

I'm your host, Alice, and I'm joined as always by my overturned co-host Brett. I am sort of a turnover when I comes to you. Turncoat. Turncoat, push over, whatever. Actually, for those of you who are not watching us do this, you can do it as low as $3 a month on Patreon. You don't have to, but if you wanted to, you'd be seeing our... Early plans....that were made for podcasting on the screen in front of you. And the first thing Brett does when he gets on is he flips us so that he's hierarchically higher than me. So he is an overturning co-host. He literally overturned me. I just get used to a setup, and we've done this a couple times. We've only done a couple times. But it's like, it feels weird. Like when you, we used to do side by side, whenever you were on the left, I was like, I know, I know. To be fair, me too. When it got switched, I was like, you know, when you watch a certain social media videos and they have it on mirror image so their hands are in the

wrong place. I'm like, I can't handle this. Like, this is a mirror image. My wife will only walk on the

right side of me because it feels weird if we hold hands with my left hand. It just feels weird.

That's very. I had not thought about that. I have to walk. So we'll often switch. If we get in that, she'll like switch. Do you just do like a merry-go-round with her to see when she recognizes that you keep moving around her? Well, here's the thing. Yes, all this talk about overturning. Just imagine a world in which the worst cases, you encounter the medical industry, which is typically where you go to get better.

But instead of getting better, it ends up leading down a very dark path where a parent loses

a child.

And then a lawsuit's brought.

And you think there's vindication and there's a hundreds of million dollar judgment against

a hospital, a children's hospital, no less.

And then the court system comes in like a truck

and wha-bam overturns a massive verdict. Today we're obviously talking about the Maya Kowalski case

that has been hitting the news recently because of this overturning of a massive verdict.

This case is, number one, a polarizing one.

Those of you who've seen take care of Maya, very popular ward-winning documentary on Netflix,

which, like most documentaries on Netflix, left out a lot of stuff.

So I'll just go ahead and say, rather biased documentary. And I'll get into some of the documentary later. But there are a lot of people who feel passionately about this case. I think this is just right off the bat a good opportunity to point out to those of you who think the finality is not a virtue, who often talk about how it should be easier to overturn

convictions in court cases. This is a good example of how devastating that is. You essentially

had this weeks-long trial with all these depositions that went into it. It was a trial

that's continued multiple times as

various issues were going up through the appeals court. You had the trial. And however you felt

about the outcome, you had an outcome. And you had this family who now they had closure and they

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