185: Joe Navarro – Rod Ramsay Espionage Case, Reading Body Language

FBI Retired Case File Review

Jerri Williams

True Crime, Interviews, Fiction, History, Fbi, Government, Truecrime

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🗓️ 30 October 2019

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

Retired agent Joe Navarro reviews the case of Rod Ramsay, an Army veteran living in Tampa, Florida, suspected of committing espionage while stationed in Germany. While interviewing Ramsay forty-two times, Joe recorded the evidence to prove that the spy handed the Soviets vital military secrets that could destroy the US.

In this episode, Joe Navarro also reveals some myths about reading body language and what different nonverbal cues indicate. Through his work on the Ramsey case and others, Joe studied, refined, and applied the science of nonverbal communications. Based on his expertise in the body language field, Joe was assigned to the FBI Academy’s Behavioral Science Unit to train FBI agents and the intelligence community.

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0:00.0	Welcome to episode 185 of FBI Retired Case File Review with Jerry Williams.
0:10.7	I'm a retired agent on a mission to show the public who the FBI is and what the
0:15.5	FBI does through my books, my blog, and my podcast case reviews with former
0:20.8	colleagues. Today we get to speak to retired agent Joe Navarro
0:26.1	who served in the FBI for 25 years. During his Bureau career he worked as an
0:31.5	agent and supervisor in the areas of counterintelligence
0:35.4	and counterterrorism. In this episode he reviews the Rod Ramsey case where a
0:42.1	Army vet living in Tampa Florida was investigated, charged, and
0:46.8	convicted of committing espionage while stationed in Germany. Joe wrote about the case in his book Three Minutes to Doomsday, an
0:56.3	agent a traitor and the worst espionage breach in US history. Through his work on this case and others, Joe Navarro was able to study, refine, and apply the science of non-verbal communications.
1:12.0	Joe is now recognized as one of the world's foremost
1:15.8	authorities on reading body language and nonverbal communications. He has been
1:21.4	interviewed on the Today's, Good Morning America, CBS's Early Show, the BBC,
1:28.2	and for publications such as The Washington Post and Psychology today.
1:33.2	You can find more about Joe on his website
1:36.3	JN forensics.com.
1:39.0	But before we get to the interview,
1:41.0	I want to let you know that I'll be sending out my November
1:44.8	reader team email on November 1st I write about nanomo and if you don't know what that
1:51.6	is then you need to make sure you get my email.
1:54.4	I will be revealing the premise of the next crime novel in my FBI Philadelphia
2:00.7	corruption squad series and asking you for help deciding on the title and the cover.
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