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TALKING POLITICS

1848 and All That

TALKING POLITICS

Catherine Carr

News, News & Politics

4.72.5K Ratings

🗓️ 16 December 2021

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

David and Helen talk to historian Chris Clark about the 1848 revolutions and what they teach us about political change. What explains the contagiousness of the revolutionary moment? Is it possible to combine parliamentary reform with street politics? Where does counter-revolution get its power?


The revolutions of 1848 started with a small civil war in Switzerland in 1847.

  • In 1848, there was a cascade of simultaneous uprisings across the continent. There were the spring revolutions; then in the summer, the liberal and conservative wings began to fight each other.
  • In the autumn, counter revolutions began in earnest. But the left revived itself, launching revolution 2.0. Finally, in the summer of 1849, the counter revolution largely prevailed.


These were revolutions about political and social order, but also about national order.

  • The Hungarians, for example, declared independence from Vienna and fought not just against the Austrians but against a range of other nationalities.


What accounts for the simultaneity of these revolutions?

  • A continent-wide socio-economic crisis began with an agrarian crisis in 1845. Food became much more expensive at a time when people spent most of their money on food.
  • The agrarian crisis then triggered a downturn in trade and consumption. 


Why wasn’t there a revolution in Britain? 

  • One reason is that the country was so efficiently policed.
  • Another is that Britain was able to export potentially problematic people to the colonies. 
  • The imperial economy also allowed them to outsource price-shock problems.


The forces of counterrevolution were primarily those of monarchism and money.

  • Europe already had an order, the order of 1815; monarchs wanted to restore it.
  • Revolutions are spontaneous, but counterrevolutionaries can bide their time strategically.
  • The liberal great powers didn’t support the revolutions, but the conservative ones supported the counter revolutions.
  • You can also read this as the death throes of the counterrevolutionary order. They won’t make common cause again. 


The revolutions of 1848 combined radical street politics with legislative politics. The institutional side of the revolution seemed to win.

  • Constitutions proliferated after 1848. 
  • The tense relationship between the street and representative processes is at the core of what these revolutions were about.  





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Hello, my name's David Brunciman and this is Talking Politics. Today, Helen and I are talking to

0:13.4

the historian Chris Clark about the revolutions of 1848 and what they can teach us about the

0:18.5

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1:29.1

We recorded this conversation with Chris Clark a week ago. We're talking about 1848 because we've all been struck by how often these revolutions, which might seem a bit obscure and distant, come up in contemporary political arguments, sometimes as an example of how revolutions don't work. These are the great revolutionary failures. And sometimes as an example of the possibility, at least, a peaceful

1:33.9

political change or political change where parliamentary and street politics come together.

1:39.2

So we're going to be talking about all of that, failure, change, street politics. But we thought we should start for all

1:45.5

of us, including me, by asking Chris just to sketch out what happened in 1848 and when did it really

1:52.2

start. Chris, maybe we should just start with trying to describe what happened in 1848. Is there a

1:59.7

kind of kickoff point? We'll get on to whether there's

2:01.5

an end point, but did it begin somewhere, sometime? It did. And I guess the most important thing

2:07.9

there to note is that it didn't begin in Paris and it didn't actually begin in 1848.

2:12.5

Yeah, that's what I thought was the problem. The 1848 revolutions, in fact, kicked off in 1847 with a civil war in Switzerland.

2:20.0

It's a very small civil war on a sort of Swiss model railway scale.

2:23.4

I think the total casualties are just over 100 people.

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