Since 1964, people have copied something Richard tried in Tokyo,

even though it was a flop.

What is it?

The answer to that at the end of the show.

My name's Tom Scott, and this is Lateral.

Before we begin, I need to warn you, if you hear any unexplained tapping, eerie whispers, or a cold chill down your spine.

You're listening to this podcast correctly. We've discovered that the studio is haunted by a ghost

who died tragically young after reading the comments section. But don't worry, the ghost mostly flickers the lights,

rearranges the snacks, and occasionally corrects our spelling.

And I am delighted to report that three guests have bravely agreed to join us in this spectral realm.

First, we have from Escape This Podcast, and many other things besides,

Bill Sunderland, welcome back to the show. I'm happy to be back. Let me just reveal some behind-the-scenes stuff here for anybody listening in home. Yeah, yeah. We've recorded an episode with Tom saying, oh, I've got a hurt throat. I'm a little bit. And then, I'm assuming on the spot, the producer has gone, all right, I'm going to write a bit to be done in a harsh whisper. That'll get him.

But the thing is, my notes actually say, stage whisper or ASMR. Now, I'm not doing ASMR for people. And if I do a stage whisper with the voice I've got, that's what comes out. So my apologies to anyone who was slightly off-put by the throaty whisper there, that's the best I can manage. No, it was great. It was lovely. I just think it put you through a lot. I hope you're doing all right. This shows put me through a lot, Bill. How are you doing? I'm doing well. I'm doing great. I'm looking forward to another episode.

This should be a lot of fun. This was a good group and I'm enjoying it. Well, we are also joined by

the other half of Escape This Podcast and many other things besides. Danny Siller, welcome back to the

show. Thank you. Your intro made me want to give a creepy, we're here, or something like that. But I've only read the script of Paltgeist. I haven't actually seen it, so I have no idea how the little girl says that. You've only read the script of Paltogast? When I'm scared of movies, and I think that they'll be too scary or too sad for me, I read the script instead. It's so good. Not like the Wikipedia description of it.

Okay. No, no, full script. Okay. Great. Do you want to plug what you do at any point here?

Do I think or do we just want to roll into the next guest? Well, it turns out, Silence of the

Lambs, great script. Recommend that one to everybody. Well, good luck to both of you

on the show today. We are joined by the guest with one of the best backgrounds it is possible to

have on a video call. Sarah Renee Clark, welcome back to the show. Do you want to explain,

and you're going to have to do this both in video and audio description,

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