This episode of Control-Or Delete is sponsored by King Fisher, the company behind

recognizable home improvement brands such as B&Q and Screw Fix, who help make better homes

accessible for everyone. And who, by the way, doesn't love a pop down to be in queue? I definitely do.

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They're looking for tech professionals interested in software engineering, data

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Thank you so much to King Fisher for sponsoring this podcast.

So does anyone have any questions anything just like where are your shoes from no I'm

joking anything we're not doing advertising on this. We made that one clear.

There's a mic there.

Thank you.

Thank you both.

I wanted to ask about Shine Theory

and how you and Anne came up with that as a concept and how that whole notion

evolved. How we came up with Shine Theory. Shine theory is the it's the

operating principle of my friendship with Anne it's also an amazing

lyric from the killers a band you might remember. We would always tell each

other especially when we were becoming new friends like I don't shine if you don't shine and it was really a way

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